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Friday, July 10, 2009

[AMD] Re: homecoming

--- In airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, Don Schmenk <dschmenk@...> wrote:
>
> It is a scratch built model from basswood Ken. I also do one in 1/144
> scale that is resin.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Don Schmenk, OWX

Are those some of your builds at the NWA History Center?

Dave
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[AMD] FLY DC-9???

Has anyone seen this kit? it's out.
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[AMD] Re: homecoming

Hi Don,

Welcome back and THANKS for posting photos of your B-99!

I wouldn't mind having one of them!

Take care,
Frank

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Re: [AMD] re: homecoming

It is a scratch built model from basswood Ken. I also do one in 1/144
scale that is resin.

Thanks for your comments.

Don Schmenk, OWX

On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Kenn Hamm wrote:

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>
>
> Nice work. Is that the Sasquatch kit, or the RVHP?
>
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[AMD] endless commercials, etc.

I think what makes this board and group so good is that it serves a variety of different modelers.

I am not as interested in fan blade counts or even dihedrals all that much. I am interested in learning though, and there is a wealth of knowledge here. Part of that learning is what is new. I think that it is pretty cool that "power players" in our hobby take the time to post here. Mr. Hannant, TwoSix, etc. feel the board is worth their time to let us know what products they have that are new. That might seem like a no brainer, but is it? I'm sure they have alot of advertising decisions to make, and they choose here. Alot of other boards, sites, and lists don't get that.

Likewise, I learned about iOffer here. Never heard of it before. I may join, because I agree that Ebay has gotten way too impressed with themselves, and seem to have lost their way, seeing the customer (buyer or seller) as either the enemy, an ATM, or both. I don't want to be spammed, but I don't think that we are spammed. I think the mix of newb questions like mine, expert discussions, rivet counter discussions, ads, stuff for sale, and general banter is what makes this a great list.

Kenn Hamm
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[AMD] re: homecoming

I don't know any of the politics, but I don't mind the little inline photos like that. Nice work. Is that the Sasquatch kit, or the RVHP?

if it is the Sasquatch, then I bow to your supreme skill. I have a Sasquatch Dash-8, and I only hope it looks like an airplane when I am done, let alone a Dash-8.

The RVHP kits... are great, if not obscenely expensive. I have two and am waiting patiently for my JBOT Pacific Coastal decals, since I didn't want to do either of the Hurons... Ebay lot for the win, there. Picked up two Hurons for less than the price of one, including shipping.

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Re: [AMD] homecoming

Welcome back, Don. Nice 99!
John
KSMF

Don Schmenk wrote:

<*>[Attachment(s) from Don Schmenk included below]  It appears that I have been allowed back on AMD! I am returning with   some photos of a recently completed 1/72 B-99 in Rio markings that I   just finished for a NW Airbus 330 captain. Decals specially made by   JBOT.  I hope that I am not breaking some sort of rule about posting photos!

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Re: [AMD] Re: homecoming

Sorry! I guess that I do although he definitely said NW!
The model is carved from basswood and finished with lacquer. Decals by
JBOT!

Don, OWX

On Jul 10, 2009, at 11:01 AM, ddebace wrote:

>
> Don don't you mean Delta A-330. I hope the wars of the two groups
> don't drag on like RC and NWA. Enjoy the double brested coat. Nice
> build on the B-99. Who's kit?
>

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Take off power loss pitch up

re: counteracting trim on engine out/pitch up.

Simple solution. I don't trim for climb unless I'm at least 1000' AGL.
On takeoff, I just hold backpressure. If the engine quits, it's easy to
get the stick forward - just relax.

On x-c cruise if I want to go from 3500' to 5500', say - then I'll trim
for climb.

Tim Turner wrote:
>
>
> After reading your posts about practicing the return to runway
> manuevers I decided to try it in the 172....I set up for climbout trim
> and speed...When I cut the throttle I was amazed at how much force it
> took to counteract the trim to get the nose over and avoid
> stalling...on my first attempt I lost 400' on my next three I was
> coming in at about 270'...now I have to practice with the aircraft
> loaded to see what I need, but i don't think I'd try without 350' by
> myself and probably 450' loaded...Fun manuever at 3500' and
> definately worth practicing often....I've had quite a few instructors,
> but not one has had my do that...This site is full of interesting
> stuff....please keep it coming...Tim T.
>
> ________________________________
> From: ejbnorfolk <ejbnorfolk@yahoo.com <mailto:ejbnorfolk%40yahoo.com>>
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:59:38 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Take off power loss pitch up
>
> Hello all,
>
> Do any of you have experience with power loss on take off?
>
> Do you encounter a pretty severe pitch up?
>
> Thanks
> Ed Baker
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Take off power loss pitch up

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "ejbnorfolk" <ejbnorfolk@...> wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> Do any of you have experience with power loss on take off?
>
> Do you encounter a pretty severe pitch up?
>
> Thanks
> Ed Baker
>

Like others have said, the pitch-up tendency in the tornado is fairly mild when the power goes away suddenly. I havn't tried it in a climbout scenario yet but I've chopped the power in level flight a few times. You do get a mild pitch-up but it's easily counteracted with foward stick pressure.
There is so much elevator authority on the plane due to the full flying stabilator that pitch is easily managed.

My plane is the II SS which has the highest thrust line of all the tornado models (I believe) and even so the pitch affects are pretty subdued.

Still, I strongly prefer a flat, fast initial climbout to a very safe altitude before pulling back for a Vy climb. I do about 80mph for at least 100' and usually more like 200' before I start slowing down to a Vy climb. Around here we have long runways pretty much everywhere (due to our altitude) so I can afford this basically anywhere I fly to.

LS

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[AMD] Re: homecoming

--- In airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, Don Schmenk <dschmenk@...> wrote:
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> It appears that I have been allowed back on AMD! I am returning with
> some photos of a recently completed 1/72 B-99 in Rio markings that I
> just finished for a NW Airbus 330 captain. Decals specially made by
> JBOT.
>
> I hope that I am not breaking some sort of rule about posting photos!
>

Don don't you mean Delta A-330. I hope the wars of the two groups don't drag on like RC and NWA. Enjoy the double brested coat. Nice build on the B-99. Who's kit?

Dave
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[AMD] homecoming [2 Attachments]

<*>[Attachment(s) from Don Schmenk included below]

It appears that I have been allowed back on AMD! I am returning with
some photos of a recently completed 1/72 B-99 in Rio markings that I
just finished for a NW Airbus 330 captain. Decals specially made by
JBOT.

I hope that I am not breaking some sort of rule about posting photos!

<*>Attachment(s) from Don Schmenk:

<*> 2 of 2 Photo(s) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airlinermodelling/attachments/folder/154833557/item/list
<*> B-99#10.jpg
<*> B-99#11.jpg

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RE: [Titanaircraft] Take off power loss pitch up

I've never had power loss on take-off personally, but have over 600 hours
behind the Tornado stick including 2 intentional engine off landings. I
would certainly never consider the pitch up that occurs when you quickly cut
power to be severe. What I found actually more interesting was the lack of
feeling someone put the brakes on. I used to kill the engine in my Hawk
Arrow often and play glider, but when the engine stopped, it felt as if
someone pulled the parking brake and you slowed quickly. The Tornado just
gets quiet with a light pitch up, then bleeds off speed steadily.

In take-off attitude, you would have a much higher angle of attack
(especially when preparing to clear obstacles) with an airspeed of 60-70mph.
If the engine were to quit at that aggressive angle (especially if trimmed
for that angle), I doubt the pitch up would even be noticeable, but the lost
of airspeed would be much quicker. You're going to stall around 52-55mph
with a clean wing (no flaps), so if you don't change the attitude to nose
down quickly, you may drop a wing and possibly invert. I've done that twice
and you sure want to be on top of it. One time I was 2000' starting what I
planned to be a wing over, but it was a little windy and as the pull up
crossed through higher altitudes the wind speeds dropped and next thing I
knew, full stall with nose up more than 55 degrees. The bird did a full
summersault roll to the left and I shoved the stick full forward to regain
airspeed and swooped out having lost 600' of altitude. My pax thought it
was the best demo ride ever...I was looking for toilet paper! That's the
only time I've been "surprised" by the Tornado and it was due to playing too
aggressive in winds.

The Tornado is a blast to fly and performs like a little jet fighter.
Flying one is pretty easy, but I would absolutely suggest training to get
used to its stall characteristics and landings.

Randy

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From: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ejbnorfolk
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:00 AM
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Take off power loss pitch up

Hello all,

Do any of you have experience with power loss on take off?

Do you encounter a pretty severe pitch up?

Thanks
Ed Baker

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Take off power loss pitch up

After reading your posts about practicing the return to runway manuevers I decided to try it in the 172....I set up for climbout trim and speed...When I cut the throttle I was amazed at how much force it took to counteract the trim to get the nose over and avoid stalling...on my first attempt I lost 400' on my next three I was coming in at about 270'...now I have to practice with the aircraft loaded to see what I need, but i don't think I'd try without 350' by myself and probably 450' loaded...Fun manuever at 3500' and definately worth practicing often....I've had quite a few instructors, but not one has had my do that...This site is full of interesting stuff....please keep it coming...Tim T.

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Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 7:59:38 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Take off power loss pitch up

Hello all,

Do any of you have experience with power loss on take off?

Do you encounter a pretty severe pitch up?

Thanks
Ed Baker

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[AMD] Alternatives to Ebay - yes!

Thank you very much for that tip! I'm always looking for alternatives for Ebay, especially since they've gone "Paypal Only". I refuse to give Ebay access to my bank account, and I haven't used them in almost two years.

I already bookmarked that IOffer site!

Since Craigslist and these other sites are still relatively unknown to airliner models, it would help if we communicate to each other when things go on sale (with the moderator's indulgence, of course).

Vince, JFK

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>
> http://www.ioffer.com/selling/allegheny580
>
> Tom in BFD

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[Titanaircraft] Take off power loss pitch up

Hello all,

Do any of you have experience with power loss on take off?

Do you encounter a pretty severe pitch up?

Thanks
Ed Baker

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Thursday, July 9, 2009

[AMD] Comet/Aurora Boeing 707 (367-80)

Douglas wrote:

"I recently got the Aurora KC-135 kit which is the Comet tooling
reboxed. Oddly enough though the model was marketed as a KC-135
it doesn't include the refueling pod / boom!"

Right you are Douglas! The Aurora box art is a beautiful illustration painted by Jack Leynnwood, of what would be a MAC C-135A (With "Dash 80" plastic in the box).

A further humourous anecdote, is the fact that the art shows an F-86 Sabre zooming in behind the "Boomless" tanker. The F-86 didn't have in-flight refueling capability!!

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[Titanaircraft] Re: New Rear Seat for 2S

Kimberly,

I exchanged a couple of emails with you a few weeks ago about Jaime
Walter's Titan II, Rotax engines, etc. Since then I have acquired a low
time Titan II with a 2200 Jabiru owned by Larry Behrends in Iowa. I
live part time in California, where I am now, and was thinking about
asking you about Titan training - I think you are located in Arizona or
Nevada but I would appreciate hearing from you if, in fact you do Titan
flight training.

I have accummulated about 2700 hrs over the past 50 years in fixed wing
aircraft however, after a nasty bout with cancer six years ago (I won),
I have been flying right seat only. Although I have been a member of
EAA ,and built a Sonex (which I sold before flying it), I know very
little about the world of Light Sport flying, but I decided that this
kind of flying in Montana would be pretty nice and not require a
complicated medical every year. I also need to find somone that could
ferry/fly the Titan from Iowa (near Ceader City) to Ennis, MT - about
700 air miles.

If you would be kind enough to offer me some suggestions I would very
much appreciate it. I would also like to hear more about the new back
seat.

Sincerely, Ted Gildred

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> Hi All,
>
> I'm getting lots of requests for pictures of the new rear seat in the
2S. I have posted photos on the last photo page in the 'Panos' photo
folder of Yahoo Groups.
>
> --Kimberly
>
>
>
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[AMD] Endless Commercials

Folks I can remember when there was nothing to advertise.If it wasnt for ATP and a few others we would not have had aftermarket decals and short run kits.We are airline modelers.Just because one person knows where the product is doesnt mean the rest of us do.Keep the ads coming.If you dont want to read them go to the next post.
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