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Thursday, June 25, 2009

[AMD] Re: Any good bottle-match MM paint for the gray used on TWA/AA 747-100's?

--- In airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, "toddbudish" <toddbudish@...> wrote:
>.. if you must go with a somewhat darker shade of essentially the same >color, MM Aircraft Gray (also gloss) will work nicely as is from the >bottle.

Thank you.

> 3) TWA and/or AA may have mixed and matched their own light gray paint used for touch up which may have been lighter in shade than the adjacent "real deal" Boeing 707 gray areas.

Of all the explanations, this would be the most feasible in explaining the mix of grays on the same aircraft in the same photo if the BAC 707 gray of the 1970's was the same as it is today. It is not a factor of developing, film or lighting...they had, for whatever reason, different grays and that difference is stark in certain photos. For example:

http://tinyurl.com/nvbfrr

http://tinyurl.com/lwn5z3

http://tinyurl.com/nyxlaf

http://tinyurl.com/m3ncjn

Seeing obviously different shades of gray on the same aircraft or, as in the last linked pic, the relatively dark 747 gray compared to the lighter 707 gray in the background of the same photo, proves that no matter what the actual formula, the paint color varied on operational aircraft for whatever reason. These variations are not splotchy like you would expect with weathering, they are on hard demarcations or panel lines and are obviously different shades of gray. The variations are consistent in photos taken at different times by different photographers.

I have seen others vociferously quoting arbitrary paint diagrams, sometimes in direct contradiction to photographic evidence of the actual subject whether it is in regard to paint, demarcations or markings. Paint diagrams mean nothing when you can see actual paint variations on the same aircraft in images from the period. I tend to prefer a more realistic finish, so the variations are what I am trying to replicate.

Short of knowing the exact formulations of the actual applied paint from year to year to determine the hues, it is speculation anyway. No paint diagram in existence will be able to give you that information.

Mike

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